Need I say it: not a good thing. Don’t waste your money on ceramic bearings. but the aero drag is a little higher. What would be the biggest tooth gap you’d consider acceptable between the lowest gears in each cassette? It doesn’t feel right for me to judge other companies’ wheels. Hello. Our sister site for road bikes... road.cc Our sister site for e-bikes... ebiketips.co.uk It’s about the previous generation of both bikes, but the same principles apply. I don’t mind buying more chains (I keep track and measure them or wear). quick question. Stiff but forgiving. I *think* that this issue is one you solve with spacers for the disks but have never faced this myself. So not the biggest gear you have, but the biggest gear you really need. But you can also do some further tweaking yourself, based on your riding style and locations. Some common sense is needed here; lousy seals can bind too. But the one I refer to is the recently released road tyre and it’s superb on the road and I’ve used it on fast club rides without disadvantage. i have 3t exploro team force 1 with gravel setup. However, the wide Q isn’t necessary: Many modern gravel and all-road bikes are designed to accept standard road cranks. The only practical solution is to change your chainring, for example by running a 46T on the road and a 42T off-road. The internt loves to have the hot take of being above the marketing scams of a big faceless "industry". My rotors are center lock. That will probably answer your question. Hey, agree, great article. With the recent flood of 650B gravel/adventure bikes coming to market, and 47-50mm road plus tires surging in popularity, you might be interested in purchasing a new 650B rig or converting the 700C bike you already have. So focus on a bigger rim width (there are still mountain bike wheels with 19mm inner rim width (you don’t want those!!) I got why they might not roll well on pav… Should I buy a second set of rotors for the road wheelset or swap the rotor when swapping wheelset? The biggest problem is that the skinny tires will not handle loose gravel well at all. Glad to see an article about 2 wheelsets, I have been doing it for 2 years, pure gravel tires on one and road/commuters on the other, the reason the second one is if it’s getting late I can use the canal trail system that runs for a long way and usually dumps out near where I’m parked. Eventually you can decide if it’s worth it to you to get a second wheel set. espresso. But there is some thoughts that I can’t decide about, maybe wrong forum!?! After all, you will already have a 700c wheelset for your road riding, so having 650b as a second set gives you the most options. Road: 700c Enve SES AR 4.5 w/28c Schwalbe pro one. How you ride determines which approach is best: This one may seem easy, for your road setup you get road tires. Ordinary limestone gravel is not particularly hazardous to tires (though gravel composed of, say, crushed volcanic rock might be a problem). All road bikes are designed around 700c wheels but gravel bikes are commonly being designed to be compatible with the smaller 650b wheel sizes, which offers the advantage of running a bigger volume tyre for more comfort and traction but the overall diameter being no … Thanks! You’ve got a far bigger tire on a mountain … Hi guys, here’s my question: I bought a gravel bike with 650b wheels. Only a right choice for you. However, if you are constantly mixing surfaces within your rides, you may need a different solution: the one setup for everything. Stupid question Should have know better.. thanks anyway. Probably you can make that work with some fiddling, but we haven’t tried that exact combo. . One general comment is that I would urge you to consider 650b wheels and tires for this setup if you live in an area with tough terrain (or travel to such places regularly). I would say that in 80% of the cases, no adjustment is necessary and the bike will be fine to ride as soon as you swap the wheels. 42t chainring. So would something like a CAADX be better then? Off-road. But the resulting outcome of that complicates your life. • Just as the road bike-specific category has splintered into a handful of subcategories, so, too, has the gravel bike market become more varied in recent years. The main issue is the width of the tyres, larger gravel bike tires create more resistance and slow the bike, compared to a road bike. Ideal bike: Gravel bike Tire size: 38-42+mm, or Road Plus (650b wheels with 42+mm tires, 1.9-2.25″ tires) Event Examples: DK, ENVE Grodeo, Grinduro, Lost and Found, Rock Cobbler. Thanks a lot, another very useful information. ENVE Insight: We think terrain like this is perfectly suited to a mountain bike… Will it alther the geometry too much or is it still possible? Hi Gerard, for the road wheels on flat/ rolling you recommend 11-36.. with what size chainring would you say ? If your thinking more road/club ride use that 50-34 could be handy when things get fast.. Take a chainline of 47mm, that would leave 11.5mm of space. Another vote for gravel bike with road wheels. If it makes any difference I have a 36t chainring. Previously I have been riding a ‘sub’ compact 2x of 48/32 with an 11/30 cassette. It also depends on how big the delta between the two positions is, I wouldn’t do the latter with a big spacer. I could really do with some help. Engagement of the hubs feels similar to a 36t DT Swiss ratchet, which is good. You really should test ride both and see how important the different ride characteristics are to you. For the money I could get more and the ability to run gravel tires if I want. It is very difficult to find a set of cassettes that achieve this. Hoping you may answer this question: Which is a faster road slick tire on average road surfaces, 32mm or 38mm? As for the hubs, I like the newest generation of hubs. If the wheels already spin freely in the shop, it means the seals already leave a gap and will let through muck and water from the start. You can finetune it for your specific ride location and strength. I’m kind of in option 2 with mostly road and easy gravel and will probably go with a 38mm Rene Herse tubeless tire for more comfort. the groupset is sram force 1x and i need oval chainring of 46 or 48 T since im riding always in flat roads. Seems logical, but I would argue that most paved roads are not that smooth and comfortable. Many of the new gravel bikes even give you the option of two different wheel sizes. If it is just a matter of the matching of rotor and pad, then usually this issue goes away when both rotors are worn in (I presume they are similar rotors, not that one of them is carbon or something else crazy). Possible but probably not without exchanging the chain as well. I have been swapping the 10-50 between the adventure wheels and gravel. Given that the pads are bedded in to one rotor, how do I ensure they are good with different rotors? Adventure: 650b Roval CX32 w/48c Rene Herse Juniper Ridge. BE CAUTIOUS IN CORNERS AND WHEN DESCENDING Thanks for the clear explanation. With 6 bolt, it’s a little more challenging. I could use a dedicated chain for that cassette if it makes sense. bicycling I would like to buy a 700c road wheelset for that bike (my bike does take both). Nice article! Even your medium cage derailleur can do a lot if the chain length is adjusted accordingly. Would that help me with my 11-39 shifting problems? I saw you mentioned if the derrailleur is set for an 11-50 it would work with an 11-39. See more about this on the Superghiaia page. I do like the looks of that, and the price is right too! Not using my road bike half as much as I used to, was thinking of selling and getting a gravel bike with 2 sets of wheels, for road and off road. 0 comments. If you ever want to use a tire bigger than a slick 30mm you'll need a gravel bike. For many cyclists, a wide Q factor makes the cranks harder to spin. thanks in advance and waiting for your anwer to do the order. Very informative and good tips, thanks a lot for that, will bu useable. I have been experiencing poor shifting in two spots and at times the chain skips when out of the saddle in gear 5. What’s your steel gravel bike? When you switch the wheels, you want to make sure the brake rotor doesn’t rub in the caliper. The b screw stops contacting the hangar (no more range) before the pulley can get close enough to the cassette. my wheelset is Fulcrum 650 racing disk. Stock road and gravel bike wheels are often heavy and of mediocre quality — upgrading can reduce weight and improve reliability. I started looking and I ended up with a Canyon Endurace. Not ideal. I’ve gotten a second set of wheels for my gravel bike for road use with slicks. In combination with a 10-33 SRAM cassette, do you have to switch chains from flattop to KMC if you switch wheelset? Good article! A gravel bike is slower although there is not much difference in the weight of the frame. Even your medium cage derailleur can do a lot if the chain length is adjusted accordingly, my post about 1x drivetrains for tough terrain, check out the other Gravel Bike Tech articles, Gravel Epic: a new series of gravel races supported by 3T, https://blog.3t.bike/2020/03/12381/gravel-bike-tech-mixing-road-gravel-1-set-up-for-everything/, https://blog.3t.bike/2019/11/12341/strada-mountain-champion/, https://www.3t.bike/en/spare-parts/xd-r-driver-kit-616.html?search_query=driver&results=3, https://www.panaracer.com/lineup/images/gravel/item_img04_tc.jpg, https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Panaracer/GravelKing-Folding-TLC-Clincher-Tyre/EZ65, https://granfondo-cycling.com/3t-exploro-vs-open-u-p-interview-gerard-vroomen/, 1×12 cassette (flat/rolling) with Force AXS WIDE rear derailleur, 1×12 cassette (hilly) with Eagle AXS rear derailleur, 1×12 cassette (mountainous) with Eagle AXS rear derailleur, If you often mix on- and off-road within the same ride, you need. Thanks much. Are there other methods i can try, it is a 6-bolt so as you mentioned it’s more challenging. but if the spinning slows down quickly and uniformly, it means the seals are tight. Would going that route give me an appreciable cost savings with it being a more mature and competative market? With 6 bolt, it’s a little more challenging. So having more closely spaced gears allows you to dial in your cadence better. but the same principle applies. My rims won’t allow for less than 30mm. That usually won’t be a problem. The best gravel bikes will come with wide tyres, with room for extra mud clearance, and nowadays disc brakes as standard. The beauty of this solution is that it’s all in the cassette, which is affixed to the wheels you’re changing out anyway (you have two separate wheel sets for this, remember). Had a few options of what I wanted picked out. Yes, that’s a nice tire but if I have separate wheels for gravel and road, I wouldn’t use it on either. I have a steel gravel bike and love everything about it. I go for rides with my mates and know what it takes to keep up. Will you get a standard road bar or a gravel bar? Wheels that spin forever don’t have tight seals. I’m not sure I can give an absolute number. Great thanks Gerard. Typical road bikes will have shorter wheelbases than gravel bikes. Does that mean I could have a 650b set on when doing gravel rides, and then switch to a 700c set for group rides? I don’t so I told him and in parallel I told our Spanish customer service people to email him directly. The models I’m looking at the closest are:Kona Rove DLSalsa Journeyman 700 SoraCannondale Topstone Sora, I’m very open to thoughts in those, btw :-). Compared to your old 2x set-up, that gives you the same (actually slightly smaller) smallest gear than you had before, and as your biggest gear either a 44×11 (so 8% smaller than you had before) or 44×10 (2% bigger than you had before). I have an Open U.P. If you are looking for wheels to spin well even when dirty, do the “opposite spin test”. Thanks. By using our services, you agree to our use of cookies. Just my .02. Just make sure the rims have a large inner width to match wider tires. It’s corrected now, so 10-33T for road, 10-36T for off-road. If you have a road bike right now, what is the biggest gear you really need? I ride a Cinelli Zydeco (gravel/CX kinda of hybrid) with 28mm tires and use it like a road bike, I don't do races so it's just good fun and if I'm taking a gravel route I can switch tires in no time for that ride, so yeah I'd say it's a good option, specially on a tight budget. (assuming the Discus Team Carbon accept them?) You can ride plenty of pavement on a gravel bike, but at some point you will be limited by tire clearance on a road bike. A cassette starting with a 9t cog needs a smaller chainring for the same top gear. Greets Jakob. In some areas you can ride "gravel" on 28s with no problem. Hi Mikey, just noticed your comment was stuck in the moderation bin, no idea why. Meanwhile, you can ride a fair bit of single track mountain bike trail if you can run something in the high 30mm range. Thanks! That’s a little bit more hassle if you switch often (the spacer is not fixed to anything, it just slides over the thru axle). I just re-read your article and found a new detail…. Both also have tan sidewalls. No new rear derailleur and not even a new chain needed, you probably even have to shorten the current one. Alternatively you could put a small spacer between the hub endcap and the fork leg, on the OTHER wheel set (so the wheelset that had the rotor farther outward). Would it be a good idea to have a dedicated chain for each cassette on my Open? bicycles There is no guarantee, but more than likely that’s the wheel you want. Aerodynamics will worsen a bit, so that is the trade-off, but unless you’re racing, neither of these changes (which even partially cancel each other out) will make a meaningful difference. Today actually, and couldn’t wait to try them out. XX1 rear mech. Gravel bikes will typically take tires in the mid to upper 40s with some going into the low to mid 50s (2"+) while still maintaining decent clearance. X01 chain. Right now my preference are the Easton wheels.. Hi Anders, the wheels that have everything I like in them are the 3T wheels, for the simple reason that I was involved in the design. You can match them to the particular area you live in. The whole principle of the two different rim sizes is that the small 650b rim with the big tire gets you the same tire radius as the big 700c rim with the small tire. Please note, I’m not connected to Panaracer or Sigma in any way!! It’s finally here: https://blog.3t.bike/2020/03/12381/gravel-bike-tech-mixing-road-gravel-1-set-up-for-everything/. On gravel, your speed may change more often anyway, so spending a little time with your cadence off isn’t such a big deal. Your minimum climbing speed will be lower on gravel, so you need a “smaller smallest” gear on your off-road wheelset. Bottom line, pretty much any new bike is going to be pretty nice these days! It's all about feel and you can't get a sense for the subtle differences in geometry until you get your butt in the saddle. Relative to a loose, gravely surface, both road and mountain bike riding tend to have more grip. The question is about the 11-39 setup. The latter also determines what chainring size you would use. Anyway yes, that’s a very nice road tire with a very terrible name. They’re can be worse than gravel roads. 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