Ahsoka did reveal Grogu's history of being a Jedi foundling in … The end. He toyed with Luke. Ahsoka Tano might be the most beloved Star Wars character in the series to never appear in live-action. From a subjective standpoint, it was a killer scene, just out of place based on what else we saw in that same era. Vader is merely interested in testing the abilities of Luke, seeing what he does or doesn’t know. So he keeps his lightsaber sheathed while he is talking. Ahsoka Tano's journey through Star Wars has been interesting, to say the least. So while Vader might have wanted to get rid of anything that tied himself to his old, weak self -- including his old padawan and friend -- Anakin never grew to hate her. Would he really not have made the first move if he believed she could be reasoned with? Despite his love for his wife, Padmé's life and their children was one of the main reasons Anakin had become the ruthless Sith Lord Darth Vader in the first place. By entering in season 7, the fans knew Palpatine wins in the end, the birth of Darth Vader and the galactic empire overthrow the Senate of the Republic. At that point he would have hoped she would 'open her eyes' and join him. If he were to turn away he’d had have to really look at his own actions with a critical eye. As we had seen in the Darth Vader comic, over the 20 years since Order 66, Vader had grown complacent in his position as Sith Lord. I feel as though Vader was truly looking to fulfill his role in the Rule of Two for most of the OT until Luke showed faith in him in ROTJ. We also know Ahsoka Tano will see Anakin Skywalker for the first time in his new, more machine-like state. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. I don't think Vader ever had any intentions of killing Ahsoka otherwise he wouldn't have deactivated the lightsaber in the first place. Perhaps he never really blamed her the way he would end up blaming Obi-Wan or the rest of the Jedi? Compare that to Vader’s other confrontations with Jedi and it’s crystal clear when he does or doesn’t want to kill them: Episode 4: Vader’s standing in the hallway of the Death Star with his lightsaber already on, before Obi-Wan has even fully come around the corner to see him. The point is: If Ahsoka had more time to consider Anakin’s darker tendencies, and maybe if she even remembered what happened on Mortis in The Clone Wars season 3 … Probably. After her husband became Vader, Padmé w… Just a blatant lie. We need not be adversaries. But I feel like with those two lines being right next to each other, “We need not be adversaries” and “The Emperor will show you mercy...” it seems to me like they could be seen as polar opposites of what Vader’s intentions with Ahsoka truly could have been. Given time this relationship could have evolved into apprenticeship. After she cuts his mask, he says her name and she says she won't leave him, he looks pretty shaken up by it until he reverts back to being Vader. You're right about Luke on Bespin. I was comfortable assuming that Ahsoka damaged him … There’s a split second where he doubts it. Some time later, Darth Vader — now more machine than man, dressed in the full black suit — steps across the snow-covered ground of the grave site. She was the apprentice to Anakin Skywalker and held attachment to him. It’s worth mentioning that in the Star Wars Rebels Season 2 finale, an older Ahsoka battles Darth Vader in a Sith Temple. She’s standing there, lightsaber hilts in both hands, and what’s the first thing he does? But falls back into Vader and the dark side. Only person who could get him out of it is obviously Luke. I imagine the dark side being like a highly addictive drug and hard to pull away from. Would Anakin have killed Ahsoka in ROTS if he thought he needed to for Padme? There might have been a flash of him remembering himself as Anakin and his love for her. He felt like his fellow Jedi were betraying him, but Ahsoka wasn't a part of that. He was no good to him dead. Star Wars is an American epic space opera franchise, created by George Lucas and centered around a film series that began with the eponymous 1977 movie. It’s such an interesting thought. She saw their treachery before Vader. We know what happens when the former Jedi Master and Padawan meet again nearly 20 years in the future as Darth Vader, Sith Lord and Ahsoka Tano, Rebel agent. Luke makes the first move. Rebels Season 2 (early): Vader’s first duel with Kanan and Ezra, he walks into frame, first thing he does is ignite his lightsaber. Or was it always his personal intention to kill her regardless? He also seems conflicted. Was he trying to deceive her before killing her, like with turning his lightsaber off to try to make her believe he did not want to fight her? Luke's rejection of him in ESB disillusions him further and he's mostly going through the motions at that point because he can no longer imagine a realistic happy ending for himself which is where the almost depressed sounding "it's too late for me" comes from when meeting Luke again on the surface of endor. He finds the lightsaber and recognizes it as the weapon of his former apprentice, Ahsoka Tano. I honestly did not want that jarring disconnect where he loses a lot of essential skills practically overnight. The Emperor will show you mercy, if you tell me where the remaining Jedi can be found. The appearance of Ahsoka may have created some cracks and uncertainty in his loyalty, but it was never going to break it or turn him from the dark, only his child could do that. Why Ahsoka Tano Is the Best Thing to Happen to Star Wars in 20 Years. No sadness, no confusion, he as Vader knew exactly who she was and it no doubt enraged him beyond belief to be referred to as if he were still Anakin. Maybe because Ahsoka never personally betrayed or lied to Anakin? Ahsoka Tano made her debut in the Star Wars: The Clone Wars film, and later reappeared in the animated series of the same name. Yes, the long awaited/dreaded showdown between Ahsoka and Darth Vader, a.k.a. When they parted he wasn't angry at her like Obi-Wan or even Padme -- he still loved her. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. And then of course, what’s always resonated in my head when I think about that scene, is Vader’s line: “We need not be adversaries.”. Both sabers contained kyber crystals from the sacred planet of Ilum, with the primary lightsaber having a green blade and the shoto's blade being yellow-green. None of them had any mastery of the mystical aspects. When Vader's voice modulator started malfunctioning and Anakin's voice came through calling out Ahsoka's name and Ahsoka told him "I won't leave you, not this time" Anakin's partial facial expression appeared as if he was feeling sadness and remorse, … He didn't yearn to overthrow his master as he knew he could never achieve the power to do so alone, and all the force sensitves known were either surviving Jedi, or comparatively weak like the Inquisitors. I think that's what makes his redemption so impactful. But before that, she was a young Jedi betrayed by one of her closest friends in the Order —and it wasn't Anakin Skywalker. He stares at the sky. Sith-a-phus lives another day — we knew that he did, but seeing him do it through a storm of self-created chaos was a sight to behold. Ezra, Kanan, and Ahsoka will visit Malachor, and there, Ezra will encounter Darth Maul. Not everyone gets the "we need not be adversaries" treatment, especially when they've been aiding and abetting rogue Jedi and the Alliance. But that doesn't matter. Especially if she stood in his way like Obi-Wan did. Ahsoka Tano is a character in the Star Wars franchise. Johnson's "Ahsoka" indicated a female character's one-sided crush on Ahsoka… But the interesting thing is, from what I understand (I haven't finished TCW yet, but I totally cheated and watched the scene in Rebels -- so correct me if I'm wrong) Ahsoka never did anything that Anakin/Vader might construe as "wronging" him... besides leaving. I think he only hesitated because he was taken aback at Ahsoka's unwillingness to leave him. I think the mercy he's referring the Emperor would afford her is in the form of a quick death. In Twilight of the Apprentice, Ahsoka's surprise attack slashed open Vader's mask. As a result, she had to tangle with Darth Vader’s Inquisitors. The Inquisitors were Vader's chosen jedi hunters. Although they varied in whether the light or darkness in Anakin/Vader emerged in the end, I think the comparable results in Ahsoka's interactions with Vader that would later be seen by Luke's would say something about who Ahsoka was to Vader even as a Sith Lord. The character made her live-action debut in Season 2 of The Mandalorian and was a big help … But then of course, there’s Vader’s line immediately following: “The Emperor will show you mercy, if you tell me where the remaining Jedi can be found.”. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Hence his bargaining and trying to convince himself that Ahsoka could turn or even be able to walk away from the situation. Surely he could have felt the urge to kill her because she left the Order, left him. I would like to think he would not have killed her. She’s also in Star Wars Rebels and appears as one of the Jedi voices that encourage Rey to give Palpatine a good smack in The Rise of Skywalker. But was Ahsoka truly different? When she says "I won't leave you not this time" they stare at each other for a few seconds and then he says "then you will die" you can see his eye make some type of expression before getting angry and saying that line. Even as a Sith Lord, Vader still loved Padmé very much, but felt great guilt for his actions against her. Perhaps because she had left the Order she could maybe be more easily turned to the Dark Side? He doesn’t say … He obviously doesn’t have those same kinds of conflicted feelings against Kenobi. Recently, she was seen in her live-action debut on Season 2 of The Mandalorian as a mature and skilled master of the Force. But the rank and file were only trained in the physical force arts. When the lightsabers were returned to Tano prior to the Siege of Mandalo… Even then, Vader could have killed him at any point of the fight. This. A bird flies by. Vader believed with her at his side again, he could conquer the Emperor and take control of the dark side. Knowing things like that would soothe a … Something once again out of his control. Ahsoka held her ground, and just as Vader was about to deliver a killing blow, Ezra pulled Ahsoka through a portal. ...actually, i think this idea of mercy was exemplified in an earlier issue of Vader but i can’t cite it. Ahsoka Tano is gone. The end of the season finale of Star Wars Rebels clearly showed us Ahsoka Tano walking back into the Sith Temple after her battle with Darth Vader. I knew that she wasn't going to die in the series finale of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, as she goes on to appear in Star Wars Rebels and is likely set for more Star Wars adventures. Vader is the broken and twisted shell of Anakin, but he's still the same person. It seems more clear from that line that perhaps Vader was trying to deceive Ahsoka into trusting him with information about remaining Jedi, then he’d betray her and kill her. I think if there was any conflict there - and I believe there was for a very brief moment, after her "I won't leave you" line - it completely dissipated when he resolved to kill her. That actually happens during the Darth Vader comic. No intention of killing him. It's difficult to say. One thing that’s been on my mind for years now since the Season 2 finale, is Vader’s initial reaction when seeing Ahsoka again for the first time in 15+ years. Vader hated Ahsoka because to him, she was representative of the failures of Anakin Skywalker, and a crucial link towards him destroying any remnants of his Jedi past. Darth Vader was one of the most powerful Force-users in the galaxy's history, and it is only right that his apprentices were immensely strong too. I think it's possible Vader is still disillusioned by Palpatine then, so maybe the mercy line wasn't a blatant lie. The dark side wins in the end, it doesn’t help Maul or Ahsoka. Darth Vader taking the saber represents Anakin’s love for his first spiritual child, Ahsoka. I think he was really conflicted about having to face Ahsoka and would've never fought her if he didn't have to. He makes his escape — living to cameo in Solo: A Star Wars Story and then also show up on Star Wars Rebels. The Grand Inquisitor however was a fallen Jedi who had joined with the Vader to hunt his former comrades. Did he really not want to confront Ahsoka until he was forced to? Someone to take on the emperor with? The shoto looked like a smaller, less-detailed version of the other lightsaber. Then, of course, like I said above, his first time seeing Ahsoka again since she left many years ago. By comparison to those moments listed above, in his scene with Ahsoka when he turns his lightsaber off, it seems a lot less clear as to his intentions. He felt like his fellow Jedi were betraying him, but Ahsoka wasn't a part of that. I think he might have had a flashback about his past and the moments he had with her. For a myriad of reasons. Not that she was going to be released. Related: The Mandalorian Season 2, Episode 5 Cast & Cameos Guide Since Ahsoka was name-dropped in The Mandalorian season 2, episode 3 titled "Chapter 11: The Heiress," there was an expectation that she would be the key in resolving Din's mission as the temporary caretaker of Baby Yoda. It's a good guess that this last Vader scene is maybe a year or two after Ahsoka dropped her saber, and Vader has come to the planet to specifically track down Ahsoka… Ashoka Tano | Source: IMDb The last time fans saw Ahsoka was when she was in face-off against her former Master Anakin Skywalker — now Darth Vader. I just saw the s2 finale for the 20th time by now. He’s planning to kill him before being stopped by Ahsoka. Does he truly want to fight her, or does he not? If she joined him they could easily overthrow the emperor. To me there’s definitely no subtext of any sort in that line. Do you really think if she fell she would be Vader's apprentice. Anakin had convinced himself that there was nobody left that still loved him. I've always liked the idea that Vader is pretty much totally loyal to the emperor until he discovers the existence of his son, and as a side-effect the lies of Palpatine, and at that moment decides he's going to scheme to take power himself. It’s so out of character for him but in an interesting way, because he’s dealing with a part of his past that gives him conflicting feelings. Would've Anakin killed ahsoka if she was present at the temple during revenge of the Sith? It is a bit contradictive to what he says in the blu ray. Unfortunately Vader took control again. Rosario Dawson was announced as the star of 'Ahsoka,' part of a 10-show 'Star Wars' expansion announced by Disney on Thursday. However, that wasn't the case. On The Mandalorian season 2 … But unlike Obi, she was wise enough to see the corruption of the Jedi and left the order. Initially he saw Luke as a chance to gain an apprentice of his own, but soon was overcome by a father's love. She held her own without any Darksiders power boost. In my head I imagine a small inner battle between Anakin and Vader at which Vader prevails. But also, was she like Luke to him? You can’t keep a persistent Sith down. One being he may lose. He had his lightsaber drawn to kill Ezra. It echoes the way he addresses her by name in Rebels ’ “Twilight of … Maul, by contrast, has no problem killing every Clone in sight like he's Vader at the end of Rogue One. She was the closest thing to turning him until Luke. When they parted he wasn't angry at her like Obi-Wan or even Padme -- he still loved her. To me, the first time I heard it, I really believed Vader was being somewhat genuine. Vader had been waiting for this day for a long time. Ultimately he knew what was going to happen and was willing to kill her. Immediately after turning off his saber, he attempts to sway Ahsoka over to the Dark Side and to join him & the Emperor. In his eyes, she was not only innocent of the crimes of the Jedi but an example he soon followed. Thing is, I see some parallels between Vader's interactions with Luke and Ahsoka. Episode 5: Vader stands as a solemn silhouette before Luke the entire time he begins speaking to him on Bespin. Snips and Skyguy, is here. EK Johnston’s novel Ahsoka explains the switch from blue to white. Vader's mind: this bitch just ruined my favorite helmet. Perhaps be able to resurrect his wife. Rebels Season 2 (Finale Episode): Upon reaching the top of the temple while standing on top of his TIE fighter, his lightsaber is already drawn and ignited when seeing Ezra. So while Vader might have wanted to get rid of anything that tied himself to his old, weak self -- including his old padawan and friend -- Anakin never grew to hate her. He just wants to kill him. Vader hated Ahsoka because to him, she was representative of the failures of Anakin Skywalker, and a crucial link towards him destroying any remnants of his Jedi past. Heavy spoilers ahead. What do you believe? But she still wasn't enough. He must have realized that the Emporer would not have taken kindly to him being reunited with Anakin Skywalker's old apprentice. In his mind, if he worked Luke enough, he would finally be swayed to the Dark side. An 'Ahsoka' … Vader called out to her, and she called back out to Anakin, stating that she will not leave him this time.For a moment, Vader's eyes appeared to show hesitation before finally hardening back and returning to his Vader persona, determined to push forward and kill Ahsoka. Introduced as the Jedi Padawan of Anakin Skywalker, who later becomes Sith Lord Darth Vader, she is a protagonist of the 2008 animated film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the subsequent television series.Ahsoka reappears in Star Wars Rebels, where she uses the codename Fulcrum, and as a voiceover cameo in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Needless to say, Ahsoka is a major character in Anakin Skywalker’s life because she was his former Padawan before he turned to the Dark Side. She's not dead, but she's gone. I also don't think he was trying to turn Ahsoka to the dark side either.. She was always very strong willed even though she did leave the Jedi Order. Ahsoka Tano is getting her own series on Disney+. In all other cases he should be completely evil. And yet upon seeing her he deactivates his weapon. And see the sides of Maul and Ahsoka really put into perspective the decision that the Dark Side had on the situation. Ashoka was not his usual Jedi prey. It might've just been a ploy trying to get her to help him over throw the Emporer. I prefer to think that it did still affect him on a deeply subconscious level, as a distant niggling feeling far, far in the back of his mind that might have stuck around -- and then magnified for Luke. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He only ignites his lightsaber after Luke ignites his. Anger towards himself because he knows she's right. I think he genuinely didn't want to fight. But in the end the dark side is too strong and he "remembers" why he s Darth Vander and not Anakin anymore. The primary lightsaber was a single-bladed weapon with a cylindrical silver hilt with black ornamentation. Sith Ahsoka would wipe the floor with Vader and he'd still be stick as an apprentice. I think he was really conflicted about having to face Ahsoka and would've never fought her if he didn't have to. Ahsoka was Vader's hope at overthrowing the Emperor. The Emperor would never let Ahsoka live. Both sabers were capable of being wielded underwater, as demonstrated during the Battle of Mon Cala. To Vader, Ashoka was family. Immense anger and hatred. But then it was stamped down. She was not a Jedi. At least, until now. He and Luke destroy the Emperor. Was it sadness, confusion, why did he hesitate? I've already proved that Ahsoka had a Style advantage against Vader which was why she lasted as long as she did, and still was getting owned and wrecked by Vader who can dominate her with the force. He wanted Luke alive. Someone her could turn? The former Jedi had to go underground after Order 66 happened. Oh and one more question. But most importantly, she was powerful- largely because of Anakin- becoming the youngest Jedi Knight in history (that we know of). So what could have been holding him back? Press J to jump to the feed. And at the same time perhaps anything but death would be considered mercy to both Palps and Vader; left to die, enslaved, etc. Onscreen, Ahsoka has only shown interest in one (boring) guy, but I relished that YA novelist E.K. His anguish fuels him with the dark side. I think he wanted her to live but was still willing to kill. He didn’t want to fight Ahsoka. Until Luke reminded him he was still capable of redemption, his goal was to eventually usurp Palpatine. He was in denial about the whole situation. She is so dead! Star Wars is an American epic space opera franchise, created by George Lucas and centered around a film series that began with the eponymous 1977 movie. But with Ashoka? But for a few seconds, there was Ahsoka. The duo engage in a duel that ends inconclusively and Ahsoka… New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. One of the longest-running mysteries of Star Wars Rebels was of what happened to Ahsoka Tano in the Season 2 finale after she faced off against Darth Vader. Ahsoka eventually reunites with Anakain during the show’s second season, where she learns that he has become Darth Vader. Early on, he was not as consumed by pain an anger, so I guess he would still want to keep her prisoner 'for her own safety' and later conversion. Was he maybe just experiencing some brief conflict with himself? An important factor of Vader's character is that at this point, the only person who should be able to bring him back from the dark side is Luke - not Ahsoka, not Obi-Wan. Cool post. Ahsoka… Ahsoka Tano is getting her own series on Disney+ quick death i some. Do n't think Vader ever had any mastery of the dark side 've been. That still loved her very much, but Ahsoka was n't angry at her like why did vader say ahsoka reddit! Until Luke reminded him he was taken aback at Ahsoka 's unwillingness to leave.. 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